You know I love a good power tool dust up… this one’s a classic. A Woodnetter and professional woodshop owner asks his fellow woodworkers whether he should put Sawstops or Powermatic PM2000s in his shop.
Here are his criteria for the decision:
Safety (obviously sawstop wins this category)
Dust collection-very important to me
Ease of the moving parts and adjustments
Accuracy (that is a given)
Cost
Service and durabiliyWhat one do you think is better built. I guess I am hard on my tools, and I can’t afford to wait for service and for parts from Sawstop if there service is slow or difficult to deal with.
Here are the results as I tabulated them:
Sawstop Votes: 7
Powermatic PM 2000 Votes: 2
Most folks suggested that since he has employees using his table saws they should be using the safer Sawstops. That said, there were some great questions asked about the long term viability of Sawstop as a company. Also there was a cameo appearance by the Wood Whisperer so you know I had to quote him ;)
Good Points from the thread:
“…within 5 years, SS will license their technology to WMH and get out of the tool building business”
“So if $4050 is too rich for your blood, wait 5 years and buy a gold or green sawstop machine for 2/3 that price.”
Tim in MD – see his full comment he makes a great argument relating the viability of the company to the idea of purchasing a SS any time soon.“Its like asking if you should buy a pickup or an SUV. Performance issues aside, which vehicle has the functionality you want. If you want that feature, you buy that saw. If you don’t want that feature, then you buy the PM2000. Practically speaking, I think you would be hard pressed to “notice” any performance differences between the two.”
from the Wood Whisperer
Resources:
Sawstop or PM 2000 (Woodnet thread that inspired this post)
Before I buy the SawStop???
The Sawstop debate rages on
Inventor’s Attempt at Saw Safety Cuts Against Industry’s Grain
A Table Saw Buying Guide: Benchtop vs Contractor vs Cabinet vs Hybrid
ToolCrib.com’s Ultimate Guide to the Top Ten Most Dangerous Woodworking Power Tools
DIY Table Saw Alternative: EZ Guide + Circular Saw
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Piper5036 Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
you might see if there is an isurance savings by protecting your employees that might help offset the cost
Joseph Arena Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
We have a Sawstop in our shop and the instant stop feature works. Right after I turned off the machine and the blade was slowing down, I reached in to get a snall strip of wood and my middle finger hit the blade. The blade came to an immediate stop and my injury to my finger tip, although painful and bloody it was not serious enough to go to the hospital and with antibiotic cream and band aids, it healed in a couple of weeks.
The only negative is the cost to replace the sensing module, so you need to have one in stock at all times otherwise the machine is out of commission until the module is replaced.
Joe
Hal Says:
September 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am
I am a woodshop teacher, and have used a number of table saws over the years. I now have a sawstop in my lab. The fence works great, the saw makes very nice cuts, the saw has been very reliable, and the safety aspect of it is its greatest feature. The bottom line is safety. Our school system bought us this saw because we brought it to their attention. Our statement was “The technology is available, if we choose to use a less safe machine, and an injury occurs, it was our choice of saw that caused the injury to happen”. Student safety is always a teacher’s concern, but our own personal safety is also something we should not overlook. If I had the choice of spending more money for a Sawstop, or rolling the dice on my fingers, I would definitely spend the money to get the sawstop….even if I had to sacrifice something else to buy it! Once a crippling injury occurs, there is no turning back. Your productivity would drop, as well as your enjoyment of your craft. In my opinion, there is only one choice. Buy what you need to protect yourself now, rather than wait a few years for the price to come down. My two cents. Hal
Ian Hogg Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
We just hooked up two saw stop saws in our lab. A cabinet model and a contractor model. We chucked out two Delta saws…one a fully tricked out Unisaw. Saw to saw there is just no comparison, the Saw Stop wins hands down. I have been teaching woodworking for 21 years in 2 countries, 9 different schools. That is a lot of different saws. The safety feature is just an incredible bonus!
kevin lynch Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
at the tech school i attend we have seven saw stops and one already saved my brother from a injury. to be honest i really dont wanna work on any other saw. its like having a car w/o seat belts. i’ve been told i costs around 30k to reconnect a severed didgit. at that price its a no brainer. even w/o the brake feature is still a very nice saw.