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Most Used Sliding Compound Miter Saw: the SMCS Showdown

Monday, May 12th, 2008

Over a year ago I asked my favorite forums for input on sliding compound miter saws… this gave us Hitachi vs. Bosch vs. Makita: Making the Sliding Compound Mitre Saw Decision. Then, Woodnetters mostly recommended the Hitachi, as did the guys over at FamilyWoodworking.

A thread started recently at Woodnet though and it appears the Hitachi tide has shifted… (If you were going to buy a new sliding compound miter saw - WoodNet) I added in a thread from ContractorTalk for good measure.

One note - Woodnetters reported very low prices from Amazon on SMCS from Makita and Hitachi. The Bosch didn’t drop as low as often. You have to really watch them though as prices only stay low for a few hours at a time.

Here are the results of my tally:

Makita: 13 Votes
Makita LS1214FL 15 Amp 12-Inch Dual Bevel Compound Sliding Miter Saw

Bosch: 9 Votes
Bosch 5412L 12-Inch Dual Bevel Slide Miter Saw

Hitachi: 8 Votes
Hitachi C12RSH 15 Amp 12-Inch Sliding Compound Miter saw

Festool Kapex: 4 Votes

Not out in the US yet… See more here:
Festool’s Kapex: A Different Miter Saw
Festool Kapex Miter Saw Is Nearly On-Shore Of The North American Continent

DeWalt: 4 Votes
DEWALT DW718 Heavy-Duty 15 Amp 12-Inch Dual Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw

Forums included in this blog post:
Hitachi sliding compound miter saw (contractor talk forum)
If you were going to buy a new sliding compound miter saw - WoodNet

Other Sliding Compound Miter Saw Resources:
Sliding Compound Miter Saw Safety (by the WoodWhisperer)

See the video on Marc’s site - where there are tons of great comments: Episode 53 - Miter Saw Safety
Makita Compound sliding miter saw (problem with laser alignment)
Hitachi vs. Bosch vs. Makita: Making the Sliding Compound Mitre Saw Decision
ToolCrib’s Essential Miter Saw Buying Guide
Best Compound Miter Saw for Laminate Flooring?

Parallel Clamps: Jet vs. Bessey

Monday, April 28th, 2008

The SawmillCreekers chimed in recently when one of their own asked about Jet parallel clamps. Clamps and power tools are two things you can never have enough of, so of course I rolled up my sleeves and started counting responses.

The conversation spread far from just parallel clamps, but that’s what I focused on for the purposes of this post. You should read the full post here to get the full flavor and other great suggestions you may not have thought of: Are Jet the best clamps?

Jet: 9 Votes

Bessey K-Bodies: 7 Votes

“Comeerson” Clamps: 1 Vote (*)

As there’s no strong favorite between the two you can be reasonably assured you’ll like either… I read some suggestions in the thread that you buy 4 of a given clamp to see how you like it. If it serves you well then consider that a green light ;)

(*) about the Comeerson brand clamps… I learned about these from Per Swinson in the SMC thread. That’s when you yell “Comeerson!” and get your son to clamp your project for awhile ;)

Original thread:
Are Jet the best clamps?

Other Resources:
The 11 Top Woodworking Power Tools That Give 100% Satisfaction or Better The Bessey clamps made the sub-11 list.

Top 5 Most Popular Random Orbit Sanders

Saturday, April 26th, 2008

Random Orbit Sanders are woodshop standards around the world. The random orbit means that the grit doesn’t make a noticeable “pattern” in the surface of your woodworking project. If you’re shopping for a new one - or your first one - this article gives you insight into which brands are most popular with woodworkers.

I counted up random orbital sander recommendations from 5 forums: Woodnet, SawmillCreek, LumberJocks, WoodWorkForums (Oz) and Contractor Talk. Without further ado, here are the top 5 most popular random orbit sanders:

1) Bosch: 20 Votes
The Bosch is the go-to standard for ROS. You won’t go wrong with the Bosch, though it’s definitely not the cheapest ROS available… Bosch was popular across ALL the forums.

Bosch 1295DVSK 2.2 Amp 5-Inch Palm Grip Variable Speed Random Orbit Palm Sander

Bosch 1250DEVS 6.5 Amp 6-Inch Random Orbit Sander with Vacuum Port

Bosch 1295 ROS Owners Opinions (SawmillCreek)

2) Festool: 19 Votes
Festools are expensive. Festool users love Festool so much they should be called cult members. It seemed like there were the most Festool fans in SawmillCreek.

6″ rand. orb. sander ETS 150/3

5″ random orbit sander ETS 125

Festool 150/5 random orbit sander review (SawmillCreek)

3) Porter-Cable: 12 Votes
Straight forward and steady, the Porter-Cable ROS seemed most popular with contractors. There were no raving PC fans… but then again they’re not the “raving” type ;)

Porter-Cable 97355 5-Inch Variable Speed Random Orbital Sander Kit

4) Makita: 9 Votes
Another solid contender, the Makita is a popular less expensive option.

Makita BO6030 2.7 Amp 6-Inch Random Orbit Variable Speed Sander

5 - tie) Dewalt: 7 Votes
Everyone with a Dewalt ROS seemed to really like it. A strong choice that will last a long time.

DEWALT D26453K 3 Amp 5-Inch Variable Speed Random Orbit Sander Kit

5 - tie) Metabo: 7 Votes
Metabos seemed most popular “down under.” A solid mid-priced ROS.

Metabo SXE450 00458 3.8 Amp 6-Inch Random Orbit Sander

Everyone Else:
Ridgid: 4 Votes

Cabinet Scraper: 2 Votes
Using Card Scrapers (FWW article)

Dynabrade: 2 Votes
(pneumatic air powered sanders)

Ryobi: 1 Vote

Forum Threads Cited:
Random Orbit Sander- Is there consensus on top 2 or 3? (WoodNet)
ROS Suggestions (SawmillCreek)
Random Orbital Sander? (LumberJocks)
Whats the best random orbit sander in your opinion (WoodWorkForums)
Which sander? (ContractorTalk)

Other Resources:
Stopping Swirl Marks in Your Finish (PDF file…)
Chris Baylor on Random Orbital Sanders

Dream Table Saws: What TS Would You Get With Unlimited Budget?

Friday, April 18th, 2008

Over at Family Woodworking Joe Mioux asked the family what table saw they’d get if they had unlimited budget. He’s selling a Mini-Max. See the original thread here: If you could buy a new ts….

I tallied them up and here are the table saws that the Family sees when they’re sawing “z’s.”

SawStop: 6 Votes

Sawstop preferred over Powermatic PM 2000 for Professional Wood Shop (WoodNetters only)
SawStop got mini-kudos in our customer service forum survey.
SawStop placed #11 on our Top Woodworking Power Tools That Give 100% Satisfaction or Better
Tied w/ PM2000 in Top Cabinet Saws for a Small Pro Wood Shop

PowerMatic: 4 Votes
5hp pre 1977 pm66
PM2000 with the router lift
custom Powermatic 2066

Also see:
Questions to Ask When Buying a Used Powermatic 66 Table Saw
Tied w/ SawStop in Top Cabinet Saws for a Small Pro Wood Shop

Mini Max Sliding Table Saw: 3 Votes

Steel City cabinet saw: 2 votes

One Mention Each:
an old Unisaw
left tilt General cabinet-saw
Woodtek - 148-271 Hybrid Tablesaw

If I had the cash I’d like to try out the Steel City granite top table saw :D

How about you? What’s your dream table saw?

Grizzly G5013 17″ Band Saw vs. Jet JWBS-18X 18″ Band Saw

Thursday, April 17th, 2008

A Woodnetter asked his fellows recently what their thoughts were on a battle between the Grizzly G5013 and the Jet JWBS-18X. For the record, the 17″ Grizzly G5013 placed first in our survey for our band saw buying guide. That said, the Jet is a fine machine worthy of consideration.

A bit of detail for you - the OP (original poster) plans to use the saw for a great deal of resawing. In his words: “As for resawing, most of the furniture we make uses 1/8″ thick shop veneer laminated onto baltic birch. The woods are almost exclusively exotic (i.e. very hard and very expensive, which is why we use veneer). So the ability to resaw as wide as possible (within the price range of the Grizzly and Jet) is crucial.”

One commenter suggested off the bat that he start looking at the 19″ models if he planned to do mostly resawing. And while there wasn’t a landslide of responses or suggestions the thread is great for any professional woodshop owner looking at 17-19″ band saws for production work. Read the original thread here: Which machine? 17″ Grizzly G5013 2HP vs. Jet 18″ 1 1/2 HP

The Grizzly won by a narrow margin…

Grizzly G5013: 3 votes

Jet JWBS-18X: 2 votes

Thread of Origin:
Which machine? 17″ Grizzly G5013 2HP vs. Jet 18″ 1 1/2 HP

Other Resources:
What’s the Best Band Saw? Benchtop vs. 14 Inch vs. 17 Inch vs. 18 Inch
Grizzly Tools - What is Your Opinion?
A Band Saw Buying Guide: 6 Considerations That Save Woodworkers Money
Band Saw Tire Maintenance
Woodworking Without A Table Saw

Top 4 Most Used Woodworking Squares

Wednesday, April 16th, 2008

Woodnetter Zane Moseley wants a new square. He went to his fellow WoodNetters and said: “I’m thinking of buying a quality square like a Starrett or Incra that will last for years and give trustworth readings. The 12″ starrett combo square seems a bit long. They have a 4″ double square that looks pretty appealing. Incra also makes a “guaranteed square”. Which should I get?”

What follows is a fantastic weighing-in of the Woodnetters - here’s the full thread if you’d like to check it out: What type of square do you use most often?

I tallied responses and then went digging for similar threads in other woodworking forums to bring you the top 4 most used woodworking squares…

1) Starrett: 22 overall
Starrett 4″ double square: 6

12″ Starrett combo square: 6
6″ Starrett combo square: 5
6″ Starrett double square: 2

Starrett Reviews from LumberJocks:
Starrett Fixed Square Review
Starrett 4-Inch Double Square, 12-Inch Combination Square

(Note that Starrett squares came in at #9 on the top 11 tools that bring 100% satisfaction.)

2) Bridge City Squares: 3 Overall
Bridge City Universal Square: 1

Bridge City CS-12 combination square: 1

3) Veritas Squares: 3 Overall
Veritas Saddle Square: 3

Veritas Saddle Square Review

4) Lee Valley Squares: 3 Overall
Lee Valley 4″ double square: 1

LV double square: 1

Everyone Else by Brand:
Swanson Speed Squres: 2 Overall

Harbor Freight Squares: 2 overall

Stanley Squares: 2 Overall
Stanley 12″ combo squares: 2

PEC Squares: 1 Overall
4″ double square: 1

Incra Squares: 1 overall

Mitutoyo squares: 1 overall

Forum sources for these numbers:
What type of square do you use most often?
If you were a square
When is a square not a square?
Starrett adjustable square, or who…?

Other Resources:
The 11 Top Woodworking Power Tools That Give 100% Satisfaction or Better

How Sharp is Sharp Enough for Woodworking Tools (+video)

Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008

So I’ve been spending a little time in the Woodworking Hand Tools section over at Woodnet. That’s right - I’ve been exploring the crazy world of the Galoot ;) One member posed the question - how do you guys measure sharpness? There’s not a good measure for sharpness, at least not that I could tell from reading through the thread. It appears too that the “how can you tell if it’s sharp” question pops up every three months or so, kinda like the left tilt vs. right tilt table saw debate.

First off, a video to show you what sharp looks like on a Japanese Plane:

I found this video at Woodnet: A couple videos (Japanese Planes)

And here are a few ways that the WoodNet galoots use to tell if their blades are sharp enough:

shave hair off arm without cutting skin
can it slice an endgrain on a soft pine stick
can it cut a paper towel cleanly
if the edge can reflect light it’s not sharp
“Sharp enough to work and sharp enough to please a hand tool junkie are two different stories.” - dnlmaul
“you can make the lace plane shaving with a really hard wood.” - CedarSlayer (see the video above for an example of this…)

You can read about a method for measuring sharpness here.

Wood Lathes: $400 vs. $4000

Monday, March 24th, 2008

An old thread on lathes in SawmillCreek caught my eye recently… I’ve never dug into lathes that much and they always seemed sort of on the outskirts of woodworking. That may be the reason they appeal to some folks though ;) Anyways, the thread I saw asks for lathe recommendations in the $400-$500 range.

Because the thread is almost two years old the specific recommendations may not hold up… that said, a great conversation started regarding comparing the $400 lathe to a $4,000 lathe. There were some accusations of “lathe elitism” that got the lathe masters sharpening up their language arts tools. This post shares some of the best quotes from the thread and then points you to a number of other threads and resources that I hope will help you make your lathe decision.

Choice Quotes:

1) “In woodworking there are many times where you can make do with cheap tools and not notice a big difference. Lathe work is not one of those situations.”

2) “My original suggestion was to take the ultimate low cost budget approach; don’t buy a lathe, join a club, take a class, etc… until you have a chance to get your feet wet.”

3) “Basically it boils down to how you are going to use the lathe, if you are a part-timer and do a bit here or there, then I’d say the $4000 lathe would be overkill, but if you are a pro, then the $4000 lathe makes you money, and the $400 lathe costs you money in downtime, loss of productivity etc. plus the frustration factor in dealing with a tool that is not up to your needs.”

Reasons the $4,000 Lathe Costs $4,000:
(These are quotes from Creeker and Lathe-Master Bill Grumbine who runs http://www.wonderfulwood.com/)

1. Weight.
“My $4000 machines do not chase me around the shop like my $400 machine did even after it was sandbagged with an extra 360 lbs of weight.”
2. Power.
“I can take a 60-80 lb blank of wood and turn it into a rough bowl for drying in less than 10 minutes on my Poolewood or Vega. ”
3. Control.
“A $4000 machine these days sports a a 3 phase VFD power source. While this type of motor is not necessary for the vast majority of spindle turning, these machines are not built primarily for spindles.”
4. Overall design.
“Fit and finish are much better. I do not have to fight my machine, and my turning improved by an order of magnitude each time I moved up a step in machine.”
5. Speed.
“This is sort of a culmination of all of the above, but I can turn many times faster for the type of turning I am doing on my expensive lathes.”

Note that Mr. Grumbine started on a Jet:
“To go back to my own $400 lathe on this, I turned on it for over 3 1/2 years, and made many thousands of dollars using it. I also had a small backup lathe (Chinese built Carbatec). One of the reasons I had it was because my $400 Jet broke on a regular basis. At one point during a parts order, I was discussing everything that had broken on it, and he commented that I had had just about everything that could go wrong with this lathe go wrong. But, it was not a lemon. It was a $400 lathe.”

Read all of Mr. Grumbine’s post in SMC >>
Visit Mr. Grumbine’s Woodturning Site Wonderful Wood.

Other Resources:
Comparing a $400 Grizzly Lathe to a $4000 Vicmarc VL-300 Long bed machine
Jet vs. Grizzly Lathes (for starting out…)
Which lathe do I need?
Which Lathe is best for me?
Fine Woodworking Heavy Duty Lathe Test (pdf)

Top 5 Woodworking Tool Companies with the Best Customer Service

Saturday, March 15th, 2008

When my wife and I get great customer service we make it a point to speak to the manager and pass along a compliment. A thread in SawmillCreek (Your Vote: Best Customer Service) does the same thing for woodworking related companies. I went through all 85 responses and counted up all the companies mentioned as giving excellent customer service and laid them out here for you to see.

Before the list though, I have to say I appreciated this sentiment (which got 2 votes): “The best customer service is the one you don’t need.” Great point - ideally you don’t have to get involved with customer service after your purchase. The fact of life is that you DO have to get involved after the purchase though.

And remember - I want to know who you’ve had a good experience with, and if your opinion lines up with the woodworkers from SawmillCreek. Scroll down to the comment section and let me know what you think.

Here are the companies that the ‘Creekers think give the best customer service:

1) Lee Valley: 36 Votes
I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much excitement over a single company… They certainly have done a great job of turning the Creekers into major supporters. You can read about their customer support philosophy here >>

2) Eurekazone: 17 Votes
I wrote about the Eurekazone awhile back when I was on my “table saw alternatives” kick ;) Check out DIY Table Saw Alternative: EZ Guide + Circular Saw. Dino, the owner/inventor of this system is an active member of SawmillCreek.

3) Grizzly: 14 Votes
Grizzly is somewhat of the new kid on the block. They seem consistent about making cheaper high quality tools. Their president Shiraz Balolia is also a regular contributor to SawmillCreek and even responds to customer issues in the forum. I got on a Grizzly kick for awhile too ;) Grizzly Tools - What is Your Opinion?

4) Lie-Nielsen: 9 Votes
They make heirloom quality hand tools. If you’re a neanderthal, aka, a Galoot you’re probably already familiar ;) Also check out The 7 Essential Woodworking Hand Tools For the Galoot In Training >>

5) Festool: 7 Votes
Festool are makers of fine tools with RABID fans! They make a guided saw system that competes with the Eurekazone. I think of Festool fans sort of like Mac fans ;)

One thing to remember, SawmillCreek has company owners as guests in their forums - I’m not sure if there’s a Lee Valley rep, but I know Dino from Eurekazone and Papa Grizzly “Shabaz” post there regularly. I’ve also seen Freud reps posting there. Anyways, there may be a little bias from the woodworkers who have had personal contact with people on the forums.

Companies with More Than One Vote:

6) Freud: 5 Votes
7) Tools For Working Wood: 5 Votes
8) Amazon: 4 Votes
9) Clear-Vue Cyclones: 4 Votes
10) Incra: 4 Votes
11) Wynn Environmental: 3 Votes
12) Bosch: 3 Votes
13) Wixey: 3 Votes
14) Woodcraft: 3 Votes
15) Woodpecker: 3 Votes
16) Mini Max: 3 Votes
17) Japan Woodworker: 2 Votes
18) Holbren dot com: 2 Votes

Companies Mentioned Once for Good Customer Service:
Jet
JoeWoodworker
Dover Inlay
Reid Supply
Jointech
Craftsman Studio
JoinTech
Peach Tree
Infinity
Irwin
MTO Battery
Garret Wade
Heavy Duty Tools dot net.
Steel City
Craft Supply
Rockler
Makita
Dowelmax
Woodworkers Hardware
Marino
Hartville Tool
PLS lasers
Whiteside Router bits
Sawstop
White Chapel hardware
Homesteadfinishing.com
Akeda
Delta
Collins tool co.

There you have it folks! Again, if you’d like to visit the original thread from SawmillCreek go here: Your Vote: Best Customer Service. And remember to vote for the company that gave you the best customer service in the comments below!

7 Rules of Lending Power Tools: What’s Your Policy?

Wednesday, February 20th, 2008

How do you handle loaning out your power tools? If you’re like most woodworkers you have a very strict policy, whether it’s a qualified yes, a definite yes, or a loud, firm and final NO WAY. A thread over at WoodNet asks the simple question, “what is your policy with lending tools or supplies to family/friends?”

48 comments later you’ll find a manual on how to (and how not to) lend tools so that you protect yourself AND the person you’re potentially lending to.

There are some definite trends in the replies. I read through and tried to group them according to policy. Some guys combined “rules” of lending so I broke those apart too so you can mix and match if you’re still figuring out what policy works best for you. Plus, some of these rules might apply to some of your tools and not others.

You’ll notice also that rules 1 and 7 are complete contradictions. I never said these were 7 clear rules of loaning out your power tools ;)

1) Never Lend Tools to Anyone, Ever
2) Lend Tools, But Always Go With Them
3) Lend “Replaced” Tools
4) Lend Tools Only to Trusted Friends/Family
5) Sometimes You Bite the Bullet (esp. for family)
6) Use a Replace the Blade/Bit Policy
7) Always Lend Tools Trustingly

1) Never Lend Tools to Anyone, Ever
There are three reasons woodworkers give for following this rule. The first is that they’ve been badly burned in the past. One woodworker, writing in from Brazil, said he lost over 10,000 euros when a neighbor disappeared with tools he’d been borrowing. The second reason given is that the woodworker runs a wood shop and can’t loan out tools for business reasons. The third reason is fear of a negligence lawsuit if the person borrowing the tool happens to hurt himself.

This rule is also known as the “Tools Stay in the Shop” rule, and can sometimes include letting people use your tools in shop.

2) Lend Tools, But Always Go With Them
This was one of the most frequently mentioned rule of lending tools. Most woodworkers didn’t trust people the skill levels of the people they loaned tools to. They said they’d loan tools but ONLY if they went and used the tool themselves on the job. This protects them from getting damaged tools back.

3) Lend “Replaced” Tools
Often times I read how woodworkers simply saved their replaced but still working tools for borrowers. This could eat into your costs as you’re not reselling them though. A subset of this rule is only lending out tools that you can afford to lose - some woodworkers buy extra sets of commonly borrowed tools at yard sales. One person said he saved old, dull blades for lending. Another member said this was actually a dangerous idea as people are more likely to hurt themselves with a dull blade than a sharp one.

4) Lend Tools Only to Trusted Circle of Friends/Family
Another large group of woodworkers said they’d lend tools only to people who’d earned their trust. Usually this was to fellow woodworkers who replaced blades before returning and generally treated the tool as they would their own (or better). Often there were woodworkers who made exception to Rule 1 (Never, to No One) with Rule 4.

5) Sometimes You Bite the Bullet (esp. for family)
There were a couple of woodworkers who mentioned that with family it’s tougher to say no and to add qualifiers. One guy, whose dad was a mechanic, abused tools by using them for jobs they weren’t intended. But… it’s his dad, so he just bites the bullet. These are the cases where you just have to shrug your shoulders and take your beating.

6) Replace the Blade/Bit Policy
Some woodworkers lent out their power tools but only with the understanding that the borrower would replace the blade or bit when they finished. They used the replacement blade or bit when lending the tool to the next borrower. This forces the borrower to accept that nothing’s free when it comes to power tools, and makes them appreciate the importance of upkeep.

7) Always Lend Tools Trustingly
Believe it or not there were two or three woodworkers who believed in always lending tools trustingly. Mostly this was because they’d had a woodworker loan them tools and wisdom without knowing them at all. They believed strongly in passing this along to others.

How about you? What are your rules and policies for lending out your power tools? Comment below and be sure to check out the whole WoodNet thread for more stories!

Read the WoodNet Thread:
What is your policy with lending tools or supplies to family/friends?

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